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ZHED - Who is talking in proverbs 8:22-36. Because a Jehovah witness says to me that it is Jesus Christ. Because he want to prove that Christ is not a creator but one of creation in col 1:15.
JOEL - It is probably not Jesus Christ or God the Father speaking in those scriptures. The Proverbs is categorized as Wisdom Literature and most of the verses are attributed to Solomon. It's hard to tell who is speaking in chapter 8 but if you read the entire chapter the main subject appears to be Wisdom and this attribute is personified as a women that is speaking to mankind, as if it is a real person.
1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?
2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man. (Proverbs 8: 1-4)
She (wisdom) goes on to say:
12. I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
22. The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:" (Proverbs 8: 12, 22-25)
Some like to interpret these scriptures as though it were Jesus who is describing the premortal life and how He was with God from the beginning and creation.
But the context of these scriptures seems to not support this interpretation, although we know it to be a true concept based on other scriptures.
Credit is often given to God the Father for the creation, but he accomplished the creation through his son Jesus Christ.
It's like building a house. God is the General contractor who oversees the construction and therefore gets credit for building it, but it is Jesus who
performs the actual work and can therefore also be defined as "creator".
The book of John makes it obvious that Jesus is considered the creator of the world.
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1: 1-14)
The Word and the Light in the above scriptures are other names for Jesus.
The Colossians scripture again describes Christ as the creator:
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins (obviously speaking of Christ):
Who(Christ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: (He is the image of God the Father the same as I am the image of my own father)
For by him(Christ) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones,
or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" (Col. 1: 14-16)
These scriptures seem obvious to us but other faiths are able to twist their meanings to fit their beliefs.
That's why it is important for us to have latter-day prophets and scripture to help us understand them better
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