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TANYA -
Didn't Christ suffer also four us sins on the cross? Didn't he take on each of our's pysical pain on the cross he took our pain on the cross so we would not have too, thus he suffered on the cross physically so we won't have to pay the price. He died so we could be resurrected also. Didn't he suffer our pain for us bodily on the cross as a price to pay for sins so we would not have to suffer that pain?
JOEL - Because sin involves infractions of a spiritual nature, the suffering required to pay for our sins must also be of a spiritual nature; not physical temporal suffering imposed by a few mortal men. How could a few hours physically suffering on a cross be sufficient to pay for all the sins made by all mankind? He was hung on a cross between two mortals, who were also being crucified for the temporal civil crimes they had committed. How could a similar punishment they received for their individual mortal crimes be enough suffering to pay for the sins of all mankind?
Christ, being part mortal, did indeed suffer pain on the cross and spilled His blood, but that itself could not pay the price for our sins. That price was paid by Him spiritually as only He, being God, could do, as He prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane.
As it started, He "began to be sorrowful and very heavy," saying to his three chief disciples, "My soul is exceeding sorrowful, unto death" (Mark 14:34). Leaving them to keep watch, he went further into the garden, where, according to the Book of Mormon, He would suffer "the pains of all men, yea, the pains of every living creature, both men, women, and children, who belong to the family of Adam" (2 Ne. 9:21). It was there in Gethsemane that his sweat was "as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground" (Luke 22:44) for he bled "at every pore" .
"Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink—" (D&C 19:18).
Comparatively speaking, His suffering on the cross was nothing compared to the suffering He experienced in the Garden.
TANYA - If Christ bore all our sins in Gethsemane like you said then why in 1 Peter 2:24 does it say "He bore our sins on the cross..."? I thought he paid for our sins both places but the church says the Garden of Gethesmane could you please clear this up for me.
JOEL - Here is the scripture:
"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." (1 Pet 2: 24)
The entire length of time from his betrayal by Judas to His resurrection is all part of the doctrine we call the atonement of Christ.
The suffering for our sins happened primarily in Gethsemane, but payment wasn't complete until He gave up his life on the cross. I think this is what Peter meant. It was all part of the process.
His suffering and death on the cross was meant to be a symbol of the sacrifice He made for us and was in fulfillment of the prophesies made by Old Testament prophets (Isa 53: 5-10, Deut 21: 22, Psalms 22: 16).
Latter-day prophets and LDS scriptures, which I mentioned earlier, have emphasized the connection between Gethsemane and suffering for our sins, compared to what we read in the Bible.
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