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IVAN - Were the "sons of perditions" all men or was there women also?
JOEL - "Sons of perdition" is just a general term, like
"mankind", that would include all people(male and female). There is no
evidence in the scriptures or what past prophets have
said that would exclude women from this term.
"Sons of perdition" include all those spirits who followed Satan in the pre-earth life and
were cast out to earth without receiving bodies. They
are also the few mortals who have committed the
unpardonable sin against the Holy Ghost.
According to Joseph Smith the only people living on
this earth who will end up as sons of perdition are
those who have "received the Holy Ghost, have the
heavens opened unto him, and know God, and then sin
against him. After a man has sinned against the Holy
Ghost, there is no repentance for him. He has got to
say that the sun does not shine while he sees it; he
has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens have
been opened unto him, and to deny the plan of
salvation with his eyes open to the truth of it;"
(Joseph Smith, King Follett Discourse)
Few individuals have been identified as sons of
perdition. For example, although Judas is often so
regarded, there is a question whether he had received
the Holy Ghost sufficiently to sin against it at the
time of his betrayal of Christ. Only God can make a
judgment on who these people are.
IVAN - Besides the refrence if the King
Follett Discourse, is there other refrences to back
up that there were both male and females that
followed that are "sons of perdition"?
JOEL - There is no evidence in
the scriptures or what past prophets have said that
would exclude women from this term (Sons of
We know that our spirits look like our physical bodies
do now (Moses 6:8-9, Ether 3:15-16), which means there
were male and female spirits who were there in the
pre-mortal life who made the choice to follow Satan or
the Father's plan.
In asserting that sex is eternal, John A. Widtsoe
wrote: "A wiser power than any on earth understands
why a spirit in the far off beginning was male or
female." (Priesthood and Church Government, p. 90)
Orson Pratt said:
"As our Father and God begat us, sons and daughters,
so will we rise immortal, males and females"
(JD, August 20, 1871, 14:242.)
"The tabernacle of flesh is formed in the image and
likeness of the spirit that gives it life (see D&C
77:2; TPJS, p. 373). Thus our first estate, or
spirit existence, was very much like this one. We knew
each other by appearance and as male and female."
(Joseph Smith: The Choice Seer", Joseph Fielding
McConkie, Robert L. Millet)
If there were both male and female spirits there, it's
hard to believe that the one third of the spirits who
followed Satan were all male. Just as both men and
women mortals on earth have the ability to choose good
or evil in this life, so it was in the pre-mortal life.
Besides this, I see nothing in the scriptures or from
general authorities that explicilty states that the
pre-mortal sons of perdition includes or does not
include both male and female spirits; I would guess
that most people simply assume it is so.