GREG - What do you tell someone,when they ask:
how can god be all loving, when he allowed or
commanded all the bad things to happen in the old
testament. such as sodom and gamorrah, the
battles and so on...
JOEL - My own parents loved me very much as a child but at
the same time they could administer discipline and
punishment when it was needed. So we first need to
understand that God has perfect love, mercy and
compassion for all His children. Like my earthly
parents, He wants us to succeed in life and return to
Him. Out of this great love comes a great concern for
our welfare; especially when we use the agency He gave
us and do things that are wrong.
When the scriptures
say that God's anger is kindled against His children,
it is not because we have harmed him, but because we
have harmed ourselves; and this grieves Him. For
example, He is upset when we fail to
confesss His hand in all things (D&C 59: 21), not
because He has a big ego to feed, but because this is
a sign of selfishness and self-centeredness in us.
We also must not look at God's anger through our
finite mortal eyes. He sees the big picture from the
beginning to the end and knows what is best for all of
us, which at times might require some of the things He
did in the Old Testament.
Being a loving Father, though deeply devoted to our
free agency, there are times in human history when He
simply could not continue to send spirits to this
earth who would have had virtually no chance. This was
the case with the people at the time of Noah and those
of Sodom and Gomorrah. Things had gotten so bad that
it was better to destroy a few individuals, than to
entail misery on many more who would be born into
those conditions. Therefore the inhabitants of the old
world and of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were
destroyed, because it was better for them to die, and
thus be deprived of their agency, which they abused,
than to pass on so much misery on their posterity, and
bring ruin upon millions of unborn persons. (See John
Taylor, The Government of God [Liverpool: S. W.
Richards, 1852], p. 53.)
When Moses was told to destroy the Amorites God told
him the reason was "for the wickedness of these
nations the LORD doth drive them out from before
thee." (Deut 9:4-5)
Unfortunately innocent people must sometimes perish in these
destructions. Alma gave the reason for this in the
Book of Mormon:
"And when Amulek saw the pains of the women and
children who were consuming in the fire, he also was
pained; and he said unto Alma: How can we witness this
awful scene? Therefore let us stretch forth our hands,
and exercise the power of God which is in us, and save
them from the flames.
But Alma said unto him: The Spirit constraineth me
that I must not stretch forth mine hand; for behold
the Lord receiveth them up unto himself, in glory; and
he doth suffer that they may do this thing, or that
the people may do this thing unto them, according to
the hardness of their hearts, that the judgments which
he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just;
and the blood of the innocent shall stand as a witness
against them, yea, and cry mightily against them at
the last day." (Alma 14:10-11)
God created man and gave him his agency to choose to
do good or evil. It is not God but man's poor choices
that cause most of the pain and suffering that people
must endure. God allows these things to happen so
righteous judgments can be made upon those who choose
to disobey Him. The righteous who innocently suffer
will be blessed for it in the eternities.
God explains the reasons for His anger upon those who
do not listen and follow His commandments:
"O, ye nations of the earth, how often would I have
gathered you together as a hen gathereth her chickens
under her wings, but ye would not!
How oft have I called upon you by the mouth of my
servants, and by the ministering of angels, and by
mine own voice, and by the voice of thunderings, and
by the voice of lightnings, and by the voice of
tempests, and by the voice of earthquakes, and great
hailstorms, and by the voice of famines, and
pestilences of every kind, and by the great sound
of a trump, and by the voice of judgment, and by the
voice of mercy all the day long, and by the voice of
glory and honor and the riches of eternal life, and
would have saved you with an everlasting salvation,
but ye would not!
Behold, the day has come, when the cup of the wrath of
mine indignation is full. (D&C 43:24-26)
He does these things as a last resort, because it
seems it is the only way to get us to follow Him:
"And thus we see that except the Lord doth chasten his
people with many afflictions, yea, except he doth
visit them with death and with terror, and with famine
and with all manner of pestilence they will not
remember him." (Helaman 12:3)
God created the earth and set things in motion. He
does not normally cause earthquakes and floods to
happen; those are simply a result of the laws of
physics. But He allows these terrible things to happen
to remind us how totally dependant we must be on Him
and to cause us to turn to Him. They also serve as a
test for us to see if we will use our
agency to help those who are affected by such things;
so that "the works of God should be made manifest" in
those that we help. (John 9:3)