FRED - I would like to make a comment on your answer to “James”
concerning Peter and Jesus’ “rock” statement.(Matt 16:16-18)
You may take this however you wish but I believe this
answer, while good, is slightly incorrect.
Specifically, I take issue with the idea that it is
“revelation” Jesus was speaking of. Though I do not
purport myself to be a great biblical scholar (I have
a family to support and that takes far too much time
that I cannot spend immersing myself in scripture), I
do take it seriously enough to employ a significant
amount of time daily in scripture study, meditation,
prayer and reference work.
The point I wish to make is that it is much more
likely that Jesus was referring to the answer of fact
that was expressed by Peter. That being Peter’s answer
that Jesus was “the Christ, the Son of the living
God.” Also pay close attention to the word chosen –the
Greek for rock- when you read what I think he meant.
In effect Jesus was saying:
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the bSon of the living God.
17. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art
thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not
revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in
heaven.
18. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter
(worthy of a name which means rock), and upon this
rock (the fact that he is the Christ, the Son of the
Living God) I will build my church; and the gates of
hell shall not prevail against it. (Matt 16:16-18)
Though it is an important and significant thing that
Peter had received this revelation, heavenly
revelation itself is built upon truth, that
foundational truth was none other than the fact that
Jesus was the Christ that was foretold.
As for the relationship to the first Vision of Joseph
Smith of Jesus and God the Father, I also believe it
to be the same case. Joseph had faith, believed and
had a testimony of Jesus Christ before his revelation.
It was the uncommon extant of his willingness to go
to lengths not taken by other seekers in the near past
to completely trust that faith and to take action on
it that lead to the revelation. And that faith was in
the Divinity of Jesus as the Christ. Christ is and can
be the one and only foundation of Christ’s church as
any church may claim and receive revelation but only
those in the church of Christ or on the path to
finding it will receive divine revelation. Christ is
the Son of God regardless of if any mortal man
receives such a revelation and that fact does not
change or is not made more true if one does. Trust in
and faith in Christ by a true seeker will always,
eventually lead that seeker to the church of Christ ,
as it did Joseph.
I hope you don’t think I am splitting hairs here but I
really do think there is a significant difference
between a church built on revelation and a church
built on the fact that Jesus is the Christ.
JOEL - In opposition to the Roman Catholic interpretation of
those scriptures(Peter being the "rock") is that of
Martin Luther, and the Protestant interpretation,
namely, that the "rock" represents Jesus or the knowledge that Jesus is
the Christ, as you suggest.
You make a good point, and as I have explained
elsewhere, Jesus has also been identified as a rock in
the scriptures. Speaking to the saints in Ephesus Paul said:
"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and
foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of
the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ
himself being the chief corner stone;" (Eph 2: 19-20)
And in Corinthians:
"And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." (1 Cor. 10:4)
These are the scriptures the Protestants use to
back up their interpretation. However, even though
Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God, and is
indeed the source of all that is true; and the literal
rock or corner stone of His Church; the method by
which He built up His church was through revelation to
His prophets. And in this instance Jesus seems to be
refering to the method by which Peter realized that
He was the Christ, rather than to Himself. There
are other scriptures where the word rock is used that
do not appear to be refering to Christ directly.
In the Doctrine and Covenants Jesus said:
"Therefore, fear not, little flock; do good; let earth
and hell combine against you, for if ye are built upon
my rock, they cannot prevail." (D&C 6:34)
God seems to be speaking of something else here(revelation?) besides Himself when He refers to
"my rock".
To suggest a compromise, we could say that the "rock"
refers to both the source (Jesus Christ) and the
method (revelation that comes from Him) by which He
builds His church. I understand what you are saying
but I must also respect what past LDS prophets have
said:
President Lorenzo Snow:
"Permit me to quote what Jesus promised, viz: "Blessed
art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not
revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in
heaven. And upon this rock I will build my Church; and
the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Peter
had obtained a revelation which Jesus called a Rock,
which every man might receive individually for himself
to build upon, with perfect assurance and safety—on
which he could anchor his hopes and prospects of
salvation. Peter, on the day of Pentecost, promised
the Holy Ghost to those who would repent and receive
baptism. That principle imparts the knowledge or the
rock of revelation upon which the Savior declared His
people should be established; and we constitute the
only religious community which dares to assume this
Scriptural position." (Lorenzo Snow, Journal of
Discourses 26:376, March, 1886)
Joseph Smith Jr.:
"John was a priest after the order of Aaron, and he
held keys of the priesthood, and came forth preaching
repentance and baptism, for the remission of sins, but
at the same time cries out, "There cometh one mightier
than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not
worthy to stoop down and unloose," and Christ came
according to the words of John, and he was greater
than John, because he held the keys of the Melchizedek
Priesthood and kingdom of God, and had before revealed
the priesthood to Moses; yet Christ was baptized by
John to fulfill all righteousness; and Jesus in his
teaching says: "Upon this rock I will build my Church,
and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
What rock? Revelation."(Teachings of the Prophet
Joseph Smith, pp. 273-74. )