JOEL - In the Book of Mormon Nephi mentions some prophesies of Joseph which were found on the brass plates:
1 And now, I, Nephi, speak concerning the prophecies
of which my father hath spoken, concerning Joseph, who
was carried into Egypt.
2 For behold, he truly prophesied concerning all his
seed. And the prophecies which he wrote, there are not
many greater. And he prophesied concerning us, and our
future generations; and they are written upon the
plates of brass. (2 Nephi 4:1-2)
Joseph Smith mentioned both records of Abraham and Joseph in his writings:
‘The record of Abraham and Joseph, found with the mummies, is beautifully written on papyrus, with black, and a small part red, ink or paint, in perfect preservation.’ (History of the Church, 2:348.) ‘Thus I have given a brief history of the manner in which the writings of the fathers, Abraham and Joseph, have been preserved, and how I came in possession of the same—a correct translation of which I shall give in its proper place.’ (Ibid., 2:350–51.)
According to Daniel H. Ludlow:
“The record of Abraham translated by the Prophet was
subsequently printed, and it is now known as the book
of Abraham in the Pearl of Great Price. However, the
translation of the book of Joseph has not yet been
published. Evidently the record of Joseph was
translated by the Prophet, but perhaps the reason it
was not published was because the great prophecies
therein were ‘too great’ for the people of this day”
(Daniel H. Ludlow, A Companion to Your Study of the
Book of Mormon, pp. 130–31).
What I present on my site may or may not be this translation of the Book of Joseph spoken of in Church history. As I said it is "allegedly" a scriptural text. Others have asked me about it and I am now in the process of finding out if it is authentic. I will let you know what I find out.
CLINT - Thank you so much for your response! I actually sent an email today to a professor at BYU, John Gee, who is a professor of Egyptology at BYU to confirm a rumor of it being studied at BYU. He translated The Hor Book of Breathings, which was part of the Joseph Smith Papyri. He is extremely good at writing me back promptly, and if there is anyone that can confirm this rumor it is he. I imagine that he is one of the professors studying it, if it is in fact being studied at BYU.
JOEL - Here is a response from Kevin Barney of the FAIR website:
"Joseph mentioned a book of Joseph in connection with
the Book of Abraham and the Egyptian antiquities he
purchased in Kirtland, Ohio. While the Book of
Abraham was translated and published in the Times and
Seasons in 1842, Joseph never got around to
translating the Book of Joseph. No such authenticated
manuscript exists. This online text is a forgery.
Best,
Kevin Barney
Response from Mike Parker of FAIR:
"I saw Kevin's response to you. Kevin is as close to an expert on
the Book of Abraham as anyone I know. (He has published on the subject
a number of times, including an article in FARMS' recent book
"Astronomy, Papyrus, and Covenant.") So, yes -- he knows what he's talking
about.
Mike Parker
Letter to Kevin Barney:
Thanks, for your info. You said Joseph Smith never got around to
translating it. However, I found the following quote from Daniel H. Ludlow:
“The record of Abraham translated by the Prophet was subsequently printed, and it is now known as the book of Abraham in the Pearl of Great Price. However, the translation of the book of Joseph has not yet been published. Evidently the record of Joseph was translated by the Prophet, but perhaps the reason it was not published was because the great prophecies therein were ‘too great’ for the people of this day” (Daniel H. Ludlow, A Companion to Your Study of the Book of Mormon, pp. 130–31)."
He seems to believe it was translated but not published. Is he wrong?
Response from Kevin Barney:
"A very interesting quote, Joel. One would think that
Daniel Ludlow (who was a long-time chair of the
correlation committee, and the editor in chief of the
Encyclopedia of Mormonism) would be in a position to
know about this, but then why does he say "evidently"?
I suspect that Ludlow is misunderstanding the import
of a letter from Oliver Cowdery to William Frye, dated
December 25, 1835, which was published in the
Messenger and Advocate 2/3 (December 1935): 235. This
is so far as I know the only source we have for the
contents of the Book of Joseph:
The representation of the Godhead--three--yet in one, is curiously drawn to give simply, though impressively, the writer's views of that exalted personage. The serpent represented as walking, or formed in a manner to be able to walk, standing in front of and near a female figure, is to me, one of the greatest representations I have ever seen upon paper, or a writing substance; and must go so far towards convincing the rational mind of the correctness and divine authenticity of the holy scriptures, and especially that part which has been assailed by the infidel community, as being fiction, as to carry away with one mighty sweep the whole atheistical fabric, without leaving a vestige sufficient for a foundation stone. Enoch's pillar as mentioned by Josephus, is upon the same roll. True, our present version of the Bible does not mention this fact, though it speaks of the righteousness of Abel and the holiness of Enoch--one slain because his offering was accepted of the Lord, and the others taken to the regions of everlasting day without being confined in the narrow limits of the tomb, or tasting death, but Josephus says that the descendants of Seth were virtuous, and possessed a great knowledge of the heavenly bodies, and that in consequence of the prophecy of Adam, that the world should be destroyed once by water and again by fire. Enoch wrote a history or an account of the same, and put into two pillars one of brick and the other of stone; and that the same were in being at his (Josephus') day. The inner end of the same roll (Joseph's record) presents a representation of the judgment. At one view you behold the Savior seated upon His throne, crowned and holding the scepter of righteousness and power, before whom also, are assembled, the twelve tribes of Israel, the nations, languages and tongues of the earth, the kingdoms of the world over which Satan is represented as reigning, Michael the Archangel, holding the key of the bottomless pit, and at the same time the devil as being chained and shut up in the bottomless pit.
You can find this letter at one of the following links:
http://www.boap.org/LDS/Early-Saints/Letters-cowdery.html
http://www.centerplace.org/history/ma/v2n03.htm
I think it is a mistake, however, to take from this
that Joseph had actually translated the text. This
is, rather, simply a superficial understanding of the
pictures or vignettes accompanying one of the Book of
the Dead manuscripts in the Joseph Smith collection.
There are four images described, each of which is
easily recognizable on the papyri: the "trinity"
godhead, the serpent with legs, Enoch's pillar [to me,
this is the most questionable identification in the
lot], and the judgment scene (which is the vignette
accompanying Chapter 125 of the Book of the Dead).
Oliver's letter doesn't actually presuppose a
*translation* of text; it is based simply on a
reaction to the pictures.
Oliver was the one who seemed more excited with this
visually rich "Joseph" material; Joseph Smith focused
on what he viewed as the earlier Abraham material.
It is possible that Joseph actually did a translation
of the Book of Joseph, and the Church has managed to
suppress it all these years, until someone
surreptitiously posted it on the internet. But I am
extremely dubious, and am willing to call it a forgery
in the absence of any explanation or provenance. If
such a text existed, it very likely would have been
published by the Tanners or other anti-Mormons decades
ago, but I have never seen a claim in any anti-Mormon
source that Joseph actually produced a Book of Joseph.
Also, the Church wouldn't have hidden such a text in
the 19th century (prior to substantial critical
argument); they would have trumpeted it and published
it. I have never seen a 19th century source
referencing such a document.
There was a roundtable of top LDS scholars at BYU on
the PoGP many years ago, and in the Q&A session it was
clear that none had any idea of an extant Book of
Joseph. (I think they pretty much had their heads in
the sand on what I view as the clear relationship
between Oliver's description of the Book of Joseph and
the vignettes in the extant JS Papyri, but that's
another subject.)
So my guess is that Ludlow is assuming that Oliver
could only have gotten his information from a
translation produced by Joseph, but if that is what he
is thinking I believe he is clearly wrong.
I'm afraid that's about all I know on the subject, and
as far as I can tell from what is in print, that is
pretty much all anyone knows. If you really want to
pursue this further, try contacting Ron Barney (no
relation), at barneyro@ldschurch.org. He is an
archivist for the Church, and he would be able to find
out whether such a manuscript exists in the Church
archives or BYU special collections. (You may use my
name and say I sent you, if you like.)
I hope this further discussion is helpful to you."
CLINT - He (John Gee) just sent me an email today. He confirmed what you said in the email you sent me. It's a forgery. I will copy and paste his response for your information.
Dear Brother Gourley,
Although we have three historical records that indicate that Joseph
Smith identified a Book of Joseph, we have no record that he spent any
time translating it nor are we able to find a time when he might have
done so. I too have heard the rumor that BYU has the manuscript and is
studying it. There is no one, however, at BYU who knows who is
supposedly studying the manuscript (the rumor is rather vague on that
point), and no one seems to be able to locate such a manuscript (the
rumor is vague on that point as well). The rumor seems to have been put
forth to legitimize a forged text. The copy of the Book of Joseph on
mormonhaven appears to be a forgery.
John Gee
William (Bill) Gay Associate Research Professor
Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship
Brigham Young University
JOEL - Letter to Ron Barney at LDS Church archives:
Brother Ron Barney,
I have in my posession something that I was told is
the translation of the Book of Joseph and that it is
being studied by the Church.
See Book of Joseph
Kevin Barney(no relation) from FAIR, suggested I contact you to see if you know anythng about it. I am told that it was never translated by Joseph Smith and what I have is probably a forgery, however I found the following quote from Daniel H. Ludlow:
“The record of Abraham translated by the Prophet was subsequently printed, and it is now known as the book of Abraham in the Pearl of Great Price. However, the translation of the book of Joseph has not yet been published. Evidently the record of Joseph was translated by the Prophet, but perhaps the reason it was not published was because the great prophecies therein were ‘too great’ for the people of this day” (Daniel H. Ludlow, A Companion to Your Study of the Book of Mormon, pp. 130–31).
What I have might be a forgery but Ludlow seems to
believe it was translated but not published. Is he
wrong?
Do you know of any "Book of Joseph" related
manuscripts in the Church archives?
Response from Ron Barney:
"I don't know if what you have attached to your communication is what I saw a few years ago, but I have seen such a thing like this before. I am part of the Joseph Smith Papers project. One of our efforts is to identify every early document now extant that was associated with Joseph Smith, a significant task that we take very seriously. I know of no document in the Church's possession that is purported to be the Book of Joseph, a part of the materials associated with the purchase of Michael Chandler's artifacts by Joseph Smith. I can only assume that this rendering of the so-called Book of Joseph is spurious. You will have to contact Daniel Ludlow to ascertain what he referred to in the quotation you attribute to him."
Ron Barney
Joseph Smith Papers
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